immersive sim is a first person shooter potentially it well it depends if it depends on the game I think like I wouldn't allow Deus Ex I would allow no one lives forever right does that make sense what about Bioshock uh I would count Bioshock yeah I think that counts what do you what are the other two think actually I think oh sorry yep yep it counts yeah yeah yeah it's definitely last definitely a first person shooter you agree Dave on the sliding scale of immersive sims I think that's closer to the sort of…
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... not where you expect that game to go at that moment which is classic valve classic valve for sure it's cats Matthew what's your next pick so uh here's a question for first person shooter if you spend a lot of a game with a gun in your hands are you gonna are you gonna argue immersive sim is a first person shooter potentially it well it depends if it depends on the game I think like I wouldn't allow Deus Ex I would allow no one lives forever right does that make sense what about Bioshock uh I would count Bioshock yeah I think that counts what do you what are the other two think actually I think oh sorry yep yep it counts yeah yeah yeah it's definitely last definitely a first person shooter you agree Dave on the sliding scale of immersive sims I think that's closer to the sort of shoot each shooty end of the of the thing in which case for first person shooter level single player I'm going to take Fort Frolic from Bioshock nice a classic bit of narrative design this level you arrive it's the playpen of uh fuck I've forgotten it's Zander Cohen Zander Cohen that's it who has uh sort of turned you know all the people who are there and escaping into these sort of nightmarish clay sculptures he's turned it into a big sort of experimental art piece and I think it's the combination of a it's it's just one of the more ...