... Well, there's there's a number of things. Um And yeah, I got involved in that. Um There's the the black boxing the blue boxing atnt calling cards PBX is so there are all of these sort of ways of making free phone calls the black boxing Um was reasonably popular in the uk and that was basically a system where in the old days of the Phone system it was noctically clever And the way it would work out how to charge you Was on the basis of when you pick the phone up to answer the phone call
Connecting to that legacy. Yeah that whole freaking and initial hacking and then going into Into um, you know kind of seizing the phone line yourself when it when it went digital Well that that was a very convenient way to get free calls yourself But it before that was available the most common way we would make free phone calls would be using at&t calling cards So you would dial the at&t operator via a free phone number and then you key in your At&t calling card and of course these calling cards they're stolen…
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... And I remember it was it it's quite a big thing playing with pay phones and and phones at home as well um, even you know the 2600 quarterly magazine still has a like gallery of pay phones around the world in it today, which is you know kind of um Connecting to that legacy. Yeah that whole freaking and initial hacking and then going into Into um, you know kind of seizing the phone line yourself when it when it went digital Well that that was a very convenient way to get free calls yourself But it before that was available the most common way we would make free phone calls would be using at&t calling cards So you would dial the at&t operator via a free phone number and then you key in your At&t calling card and of course these calling cards they're stolen And then you dial anywhere in the world and eventually the card will die because at&t or the owner will realize what's going on and um Then you just contact your group and say I need another calling card Let's talk about your journey into cortex and you mentioned that you you're most known for that then So I mean, how did you first join a group then and how did it lead to you getting into cortex? And what was kind of the the path there? I think the first group I was in was scupex the demo crew And it was basically because a friend of mine on the bulletin board had said, you know ...